Re: Latest additions which concerns users?

[Christophe Kalt <kalt@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Sep 10, Bjorn Reese wrote:
| In the latest version(s) there have been several added features which are
| intented for normal users and which I have been unable to find any
| documentation on.

probably because nobody's written anything yet! ;-)

| A friend and I are in the process of documenting the differences between
| various ircd distributions which affects clients [1]

I can only encourage you :)
nice page!

| !channels - They are supposed to be opless.

nah, +channels are opless,
!channels are un-collidable, see http://www.stealth.net/~kalt/irc/channel.html

|                                             Will it automatically have
| some channel modes set? Exactly what features aren't possible on
| !channels, that are possible on normal #channels? (channel modes, kicks,
| topic, etc.) Furthermore, what was the motive for adding this type of
| channel?

!channels and #channels behave the same, except for modes r
and O (see the URL above) which are only available on
!channels.

| +I - Only documented as "+I (invitations)". Our perception is that this is
| a list of people who can automatically join an invite-only channel mode --
| a sort of "reversed ban list". Is this correct? If so what is the upper
| maximum number of +I entries?

this is correct, max limit of +I & +b & +e is currently set
to 30

| /invite overriding bans - I am really curious to hear why this was added. 
| AFAIK, there is no way to detect if a banned user was invited, or simply
| evading the ban (channel desync, netjoin.) This does not only apply to
| scripts, but also to normal active chanops. 

a notice is sent to the channel by the server when a banned
user enters upon invitation.

| +e - Is there any way to couple +e entries to +b entries? For example, if
| *@*.com is banned, and an exception for user@machine.* is added, can a
| chanop who didn't set these entries at a later time know that they belong
| together? -- for instance, by seen the time they were added.

no, these entries are independant: +e overrides +b

| Is there any way for a client to detect what features the server supports?

numeric 001-004 :)

:fr.stealth.net 001 mynick :Welcome to the Internet Relay Network mynick!~myuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

AFAIK, ircnet is the only server to send nick!user@host

:fr.stealth.net 002 mynick :Your host is fr.stealth.net, running version 2.10.0b11

version number..

:fr.stealth.net 003 mynick :This server was created Wed Sep 9 1998 at 18:37:26 EDT
:fr.stealth.net 004 mynick fr.stealth.net 2.10.0b11 aoOirw abeiIklmnopqrstv

available modes (user and channel)

| I am not only thinking of the various ircd distributions used on various
| networks, but also of "features" that becomes obsolete such as the
| combined join and mode. It is increasingly difficult for client authors to
| keep track of all the different added features that comes and goes.

Hopefully, a new document describing the current ircnet
protocol will soon be available.  It's just really painful
to write and I'm not too motivated.